Daniel Chapter 12!

Zack Martin
Zack Martin
@zack-martin
11 years ago
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The following discussion topic on Daniel is quiet long, and time consuming. You can skip to the bottom where I have put things I believe in summary. If you don't agree with me, it's alright, I won't condemn you, and expect the same from you. If you have the time, though, please read the entire study.

The Book Of Daniel Chapter 12

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. NIV

Compare Dan 12:4,13. As Dan 12:6-7 refer to Dan 8:25 - i.e., to the time of Antichrist-so the subsequent verses, Dan 12:8-12, treat of the time of Antiochus (cf. Dan 12:11 with Dan 11:31): thus are put together in one summary view the two great periods of distress-the typical period of Antiochus, and the antitypical one of Antichrist. The political resurrection of the Jews under the Maccabees is the starting-point of transition to the literal resurrection about to follow the destruction of Antichrist by Christ's coming in glory. The language passes here from the nearer to the more remote event, to which alone it is fully applicable.

In Bible College we were taught that the Jewish nation went through periods of (1) Service to the One God Jehovah , (2) Rebellion (separation from God), (3) Repentance (coming back to God), (4) Forgiveness (For their rebellion), (5) Rest (meaning back in Gods Will). From the beginning, from Abraham, through Israel, we find these characteristics among the Jewish people (i.e. The Blood Line of Christ). It is a recurring sequence for the nation Israel. They had a habit of service, rebellion, repentance, seeking forgiveness, and then rest (back in Gods Will. The Jews are Gods chosen people that brought forth His Son, Jesus Christ, to a world of wicked sinful people.

Dan 12:1

At that time - typically, toward the close of Antiochus' reign; antitypically, the time when Antichrist is to be destroyed at Christ's coming.

Dan 12:1

Shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people - the guardian angel of Israel ("thy people," Dan 10:13). The transactions on earth affecting God's people have their correspondences in heaven, in the conflict between good and bad angels; so at the last great contest on earth which shall decide the ascendancy of Christianity (Rev 12:7-10). An archangel, not the Lord Jesus; because he is distinguished from "the Lord" Michael, the Archangel, is the Guardian Angel if Israel! Not the Lord.

Jude 9
9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" NIV

Dan 12:1

There shall be - rather, 'it shall be.'

Dan 12:1

A time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time - partially applicable to the time of Antiochus, who was the first subverter of the Jews' religion, and persecutor of its professors, which no other world-power previously had done. Fully applicable to the last times of Antichrist, and his persecutions of Israel restored to Palestine. Satan will be allowed to exercise an unhindered, unparalleled energy (Isa 26:20-21, "the indignation;" Jer 30:7; Matt 24:21: cf. Dan 8:24-25; 11:36).

As previously stated, Israel is Gods chosen people with a history of rebellion, repentance, forgiveness, service. Therefore, here in lies a 2-fold picture. What happened to the Jewish Nation, will be repeated in the end-times. Yes, history talks about the persecution of Antiochus, as previously stated, but it also refers to the end time.

Dan 12:1

And at that time thy people shall be delivered - (Rom 11:26). The same deliverance of Israel as in Zech 13:8-9, "I will bring the third part ... through the fire, and will refine them as silver." The remnant in Israel shall be spared, as not having joined in the anti-Christian blasphemy of worshipping the beast and his image, and of receiving his mark in the forehead or in the hand (Rev 14:9-10). This remnant is not to be confounded with those who have confessed Christ before His second coming, "the remnant according to the election of grace" (Rom 11:5), who form part of the church of the first-born, and who will share HIS millennial reign in glorified bodies; but the spared remnant of Israel in the flesh (Isa 10:21) will only know the Lord Jesus when they see Him, and when the spirit of grace and supplication is poured out on them (Tregelles).

Dan 12:1

Every one that shall be found written in the book - namely, of God's secret purpose, as destined for deliverance (Ps 56:8; 69:28; Luke 10:20; Rev 20:15; 21:27). Metaphor from a muster-roll of citizens, or register of genealogy in which whosoever is not found written is removed from participation in civic rights (Neh 7:5).

You see, the Children of God (those written in the book), goes back through the Old Testament too. In my humble opinion, the Bible takes us through the scarlet tread of Jesus, and up to the end-time. So again, John 3:16 (the salvation that God offers, His people, and also a Gentile people is found throughout Gods word. There is only one Grace and that is through Jesus Christ our Lord. The sealed Book of Life will be opened at the end of time.

How can you put time in eternity? Time began when Adam & Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden. Time will end when Jesus defeats the Antichrist, the Beast, & Satan. No sin equals eternity, so when sin is defeated and all with sin are cast into the lake of fire, we (the children of God) will have eternity free from sin!

Dan 12:2

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Dan 12:2

Many of them that sleep - translate as the Hebrew, 'many from among the sleepers [miysheeneey] ... these shall be unto everlasting life; but those (the rest of the sleepers who do not awake at this time) shall be unto shame' (Tregelles). Not the general resurrection, but that of those who share in the first resurrection; the rest of the dead being not to rise until the end of the thousand years (Rev 20:3,5-6: cf. 1 Cor 15:23; 1 Thess 4:16). Those who shall have died before the first resurrection, and who nevertheless partake not in it, shall at the final general resurrection, which shall include those who die after the first resurrection, awake to shame and everlasting contempt. Israel's national resurrection, and the first resurrection of the elect church, are similarly connected with the Lord's coming forth out of His place to punish the earth in Isa 26:19,21; 27:6. Compare Isa 25:6-9.

I am posting 1 Cor 15:23-26, because this best sums up what Jesus will be doing during His 1,000 year reign!

23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. NIV

WOW! THE LAST ENEMY DESTROYED IS DEATH! PRAISE GOD!! PRAISE GOD!!

Dan 12:2

The Jewish commentators support Tregelles. Auberlen thinks the sole purpose lot which the resurrection is introduced in this verse is an incitement to faithful perseverance in the persecutions of Antiochus; and that there is no chronological connection between the time of trouble in Dan 12:1 and the resurrection in Dan 12:2; whence the phrase, "at that time," twice occurs in Dan 12:1, but no fixing of time in Dan 12:2-3. 2 Macc. 7:9,14,23 shows the fruit of this prophecy of the resurrection unto everlasting life, in animating the Maccabean mother and her sons to brave death, while confessing the resurrection in words like those here. Compare Heb 11:35. Newton's view that "many" means all is not so probable; because Rom 5:15,19, which he quotes, is not in point, since the Greek is 'the many;' i.e., all (literally, 'If through the offence of the One the many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift which is by the grace of the One man Jesus Christ, abounded unto the many'); but there is no article in the Hebrew here. Here only in the Old Testament is "everlasting life" mentioned.

Dan 12:3
Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Dan 12:3

And they that be wise - (Prov 11:30). Answering to "they that understand" (Dan 11:33,35), the same Hebrew [hamaskiliym]; Israelites who, though in Jerusalem when wickedness is coming to an head, are found intelligent witnesses against it, and "instruct many" in the right way.

Dan 12:3

Shall shine as the brightness of the firmament. As then they appeared worn out with persecutions (typically of Antiochus; antitypically, of Antichrist), so now, in the resurrection they "shine as the brightness of the firmament." The assign of past afflictions here appears "to make them white" (Matt 13:43; Rev 7:9,14). Again, a two fold interpretation! Both then & also the the end-time!

Dan 12:3

And they that turn many to righteousness - literally, justify, i.e., convert many to justification through Christ (James 5:20).

As the stars forever and ever - (1 Cor 15:41-42).

Dan 12:4

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Dan 12:4

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book. John, on the contrary, is told (Rev 22:10) not to seal his visions: because Daniel's prophecy refers to a distant time, and is therefore obscure for the immediate future, whereas John's was to be speedily fulfilled (Rev 1:1,3; 22:6). Israel, to whom Daniel prophesied after the captivity, with premature zeal sought after signs of the predicted period, as though it were then immediately coming. Compare the disciples' question, "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?" Daniel's prophecy was design to restrain this. The Gentile Church, on the contrary, for whom John wrote, needs to be impressed with the shortness of the period, as it is, owing to its Gentile origin, apt to conform to the world, and to forget the nearness of the coming

Dan 12:4

Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased - not referring to the modern rapidity of locomotion, as some think, nor to Christian missionaries going about to preach the Gospel to the world at large (Barnes), which the context scarcely admits; but, whereas now but few care for this prophecy of God by thee, Daniel, "at the time of the end" - i.e., near its fulfillment - "many shall run to and fro;" i.e., scrutinize it, running through every page. Compare Hab 2:2, my note; Amos 8:12, "They shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord" (Calvin); or, "run to and fro," announcing to all who come in their way the explanation of the prophecy which shall then be unsealed: it is thereby that 'the knowledge (so the Hebrew is [hadaa`at]) (namely, of God's purposes as revealed in prophecy) shall be increased.' "Running" is the characteristic mark of one who professes to have a divine communication to announce (Jer 23:21, "I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran"). This is probably be ing now fulfilled. God's prescience and His providence are becoming better known by the diligent investigation of the prophecies, of Daniel. It, is not knowledge in general, but 'the knowledge of prophecy which the Hebrew and the context show to be what is meant here.

Dan 12:5

Dan 12:5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.

Dan 12:5

Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side. A vision of two other angels, one on one side of the Hiddekel or Tigris, the other on the other side, implying that on all sides angels attend to execute God's commands. The angel addressing Daniel had been over the river 'from above,' Dan 12:6, margin)

Dan 12:6

Dan 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?


Dan 12:6

And one - namely, of the two (Dan 12:5).

Dan 12:6

Said to the man clothed in linen - who had spoken up to this point. God impelled the angel to ask, in order to awaken us out of our torpor, seeing that the very "angels desire to look into" the things affecting man's redemption (1 Peter 1:12), as setting forth the glory of their Lord and ours (Eph 3:10, "To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God").

Dan 12:6

Which was upon the waters - rather, 'which was over the waters from above' [mima`al, as in Isa 6:2].

Dan 12:6

How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? This question of the angel refers to the final dealings of God in general, Antichrist's overthrow, and the resurrection. Daniel's question Dan 12:8, "What shall be the end of these things?") refers to the more immediate future of his nation (Auberlen).

Dan 12:7

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Dan 12:7

I heard the man clothed in linen ... when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven. Usually the right hand was held up in affirmation as an appeal to heaven to attest the truth (Deut 32:40; Rev 10:5-6). Here both hands are lifted up for the fuller confirmation.



Dan 12:7

And aware by him that liveth forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and an half - (see note, Dan 7:25). Newton, referring this prophecy to the Eastern apostasy, Mohammedanism, remarks that the same period of three and a half years, or 1,260 prophetic days, is assigned to it as is assigned to the Western apostasy of the little horn (Dan 7:25); and so, says Prideaux, Mohammed began to forge his imposture, retiring to his cave 606 AD, the very year that Phocas made the grant to the Bishop of Rome, whence he assumed the title, The Universal Pastor; Antichrist thus setting both feet on Christendom together, the one in the east and the other in the west. Three and a half is the time of the world-power in which the earthly kingdoms rule over the heavenly (Auberlen). 'Three and a half' represents the idea of spiritual trial (besides this certain symbolical meaning, there is doubtless an accurate chronological meaning, which is as yet to us uncertain); it is half of 'seven,' the complete number, so a semi-perfect state, one of probation. The holy city is trodden by the Gentiles 42 months (Rev 11:2); so the exercise of the power of the beast (Rev 13:5) was limited to "forty and two months." The two witnesses preach in sackcloth 1,260 days, and remain unburied three days and a half; so the woman in the wilderness "hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days," and also that she should be there "nourished for a time, times, and half a time" (Rev 11:3,9,11; 12:6,14). Much has been written about the 3 and years (42 months, 1260 days). I like the definition, Spiritual Trial, for the 3 and years.

Forty-two connects the Church with Israel, whose haltings in the wilderness were 42 (Num 33:1-50). The famine and drought on Israel in Elijah's days were for "three years and six months" (Luke 4:25; James 5:17); the same period as Antiochus' persecution (note, Dan 8:4); so the ministry of Christ, the Man of Sorrows (made "sin" for us) which ceased "in the midst of the week" (Dan 9:27). (Wordsworth, 'Apocalypses') Accordingly, the duration of Antichrist, "the man of sin," is to be three and a half years.

Dan 12:7

And when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. "Accomplished" here answers to "even until the consummation" (Dan 9:27) - namely, the "pouring out" of the last dregs of the curse on the 'desolated' "holy people." Israel's lowest humiliation (the utter 'scattering of her power') is the precursor of her exaltation, as it leads her to seek her God and Messiah (Matt 23:39).

Dan 12:8

Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

Dan 12:8

I heard, but I understood not. Daniel "understood" the main features of the vision as to Antiochus (Dan 10:1,14), but not as to the end times. 1 Peter 1:10-12 refers mainly to Daniel: for it is he who foretells "the suffering of Christ, and the glory that should follow;" it is he who prophesies "not unto himself, but unto us;" it is he who "inquired and searched diligently, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ in him did signify."

Dan 12:9

Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Dan 12:9

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. Daniel's desire of knowing more is thus deferred "till the time of the end." John's Revelation in part reveals what here is veiled (note, Dan 12:4, and Dan 8:26).

Dan 12:10

Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Dan 12:10

Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. There is no need of a fuller explanation as to the time: for when the predictions so far given shall have come to pass, the godly shall be "purified" by the foretold trials, and shall understand that the end is at hand; but the wicked shall not understand, and so shall rush on their own ruin (Dan 11:33-35). (Maurer.) The "end" is primarily that of Antiochus' persecution; antitypically, the end of Antichrist's. It is the very clearness in the main which renders necessary the partial obscurity. The fulfillment of God's decree is not a mere arithmetical problem, which the profane may understand by arithmetical calculation; but a holy enigma, to stimulate to a faithful observance of God's ways, and to a diligent study of the history of God's people (Auberlen). To this Christ refers, Matt 24:15, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoso readeth, let him understand)." Again a 2 fold interpretation, then & to come.

Dan 12:11

Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Dan 12:11

From the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days - (Dan 11:31, (the willful king, or the king of the north) "shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate"). As to this epoch, which probably is prophetically germinant and manifold, the profanation of the temple by Antiochus, continuing from the month Ijar of the year 145 BC until the restoration of the worship by Judas Maccabeus on the 25 th day of the ninth month (Chisleu) of 143 BC, according to the Seleucid era, occupies 1,290 days; forty-five days more elapsed before Antiochus' death in the month Shebas of 148 BC, so ending the Jews' calamities.

Thus the sum in all will be a "thousand three hundred and five and thirty days" (Dan 12:12). (Maurer.) The second epoch from which the 1,290 days may be counted is the profanation of the temple by pagan Rome under Titus (Dan 9:26), after Christ's death. The third epoch from which the 1,290 days may be counted is the profanation of the temple by Mohammed. The last epoch from which to count the 1,290 days is the profanation of the temple by Antichrist, the culmination of apostate Rome. The "abomination" must reach its climax (see Auberlen's translation of Dan 9:27, 'the desolating summit of abominations'), and the measure of iniquity be full, before Messiah comes.

Dan 12:11

A thousand two hundred and ninety days - a month beyond the "time, times, and a half" (Dan 12:7). In Dan 12:12 forty-five days more are added, in all 1,335 days. Tregelles thinks Jesus at his coming will deliver the Jews. An interval elapses (answering to the thirty days by which 1,290 exceeds the 1,260 of the time, times, and a half) during which their consciences are awakened to repentance and faith in Him. A second interval elapses (answering to the additional 45 days by which the 1,335 exceed the 1,290) in which Israel's outcasts are gathered, and then the united blessing takes place. These stages are marked by the 1,260, 1,290, and 1,335 days. Cumming thinks the 1,260 years begin when Justinian in 533 AD subjected the Eastern churches to John II, Bishop of Rome; ending in 1792, when the code Napoleon was established and the Pope was dishonoured. 1,290 reach to 1822, about the time of the waning of the Turkish power, the successor to Greece in the empire of the East.

Forty-five years more end in 1867, the end of the times of the Gentiles." See Lev 26:24, "I will punish you yet seven times for your sins" - "seven times," i.e., 7 X 360, or 2,520 years. 652 BC is the date of Judah's captivity beginning under Manasses; 2,520 from this date end in 1868, thus nearly harmonizing with the previous date, 1867. See note, also, Dan 8:14, "Unto two thousand and three hundred days." The seventh millennary of the world (Clinton) begins in 1862. Seven years to 1869 (the date of the second advent) constitute the reign of the personal Antichrist; in the last three and a half, the period of final tribulation, Enoch (or else Moses) and Elijah, the two witnesses, prophesy in sackcloth. This theory is very dubious (cf. Matt 24:36, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only;" Acts 1:7; 1 Thess 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10); the event alone can tell whether the chronological coincidences of such theories are fortuitous, or solid data on which to fix the future times. Hailes makes the periods, 1,260, 1,290, 1,335, begin with the Roman destruction of Jerusalem, and end with the precursory dawn of the reformation, the preaching of Wycliffe and Huss. Many 3 and years, 1260 days, 42 months, etc. have occurred throughout the history of Christianity, and it will happen again when the book is unsealed at the end-time.

Dan 12:12

Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Dan 12:12

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. See note on Dan 12:11; cf. "Blessed are they which are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb," Rev 19:9; also Rev 20:6, "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection," etc.

Dan 12:13

Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy

Dan 12:13

Go thou thy way until the end be: for thou shalt rest - in the grave (Job 3:17; Isa 57:2, "He (the righteous) shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds"): He, like his people Israel, was to wait patiently and confidently for the blessing until God's time. He "received not the promise," but had to wait until the Christian elect saints should be brought in, at the first resurrection, "God having provided some better thing for us," that he and the other Old Testament saints "without us should not be made perfect" (Heb 11:40).

And stand in thy lot at the end of the days - implying justification unto life, as opposed to condemnation (Ps 1:5, "The ungodly shall not stand in the judgment").

Thy lot - image from the allotment of the earthly Canaan.

Closing Thoughts: (1) Israel's national resurrection, and the first or the literal resurrection of the elect saints, shall he about the same time. Shame and everlasting contempt shall be the portion at last of those dead who shall not share in the first resurrection. But "blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him" (Rev 20:6). Here is an incentive to faith, hope, and love, that we may be counted worthy to obtain the resurrection from the dead (Luke 20:35-36; Phil 3:4).

(2) In that coming day they alone shall be counted "wise" (Dan 12:3) who have been wise for their own souls and for eternity, and wise in winning other souls also to salvation. Once the great men of the world seemed wise, and believers, who denied worldly lusts, seemed fools; but at the resurrection all unrealities shall be unmasked, and realities shall be seen in their true light. The Israelites who shall have protested with true spiritual wisdom against the blasphemous falsehoods of Antiochus and of his antitype, Antichrist, though in the day of the world's triumph they seemed to be almost cast down and prostrated, shall in the great day of the Lord shine as the brightness of the firmament: they who shall have turned many to righteousness, so as to be justified through faith, shall shine, not only with their own glory, but also with the reflected glory of those whom they have led to Christ, the sun of righteousness. They shall shine as the stars forever and ever. What a stimulus is given us wherein, not only to seek our own salvation, but to labour for that of others-not only to work for the Lord, but to "abound in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as we know that our labour is not in vain in the Lord" (1 Cor 15:58).

(3) Daniel is told to "shut up the words and seal the book to the time of the end," whereby it is implied that the events foretold by him were in his day as yet distant, and his prophecy was therefore to be not so much scrutinized, as being then obscure. But though his words were then not understood by his countrymen, who prematurely sought an immediate fulfillment of the promises of Messiah, yet he is assured that toward the time of the fulfillment of the prophecy "many shall run to and fro," diligently searching into and eagerly announcing its truths, and so 'the knowledge' of those truths "shall be increased" (Dan 12:4).

Moreover, the end, though distant, is appointed at a time fixed in the counsels, and confirmed with an oath "by Him that liveth forever." We may not be able to explain what is the exact period meant by the "time, times, and an half;" but it is our comfort to know that the time of Israel's and the Church's affliction is short, as compared with the everlasting times of blessedness which are to follow. There is a correspondence between the three and a half times of suffering of Christ's body, the Church, and the three and a half years of Christ's own suffering, in order that in all things He, the Head, and we, the members, should be assimilated. It is when the scattering of the Church's and of Israel's power shall have been accomplished (Dan 12:7), that then their brief period of death (Rev 11:7-11), as in their Lord's own case, shall be followed by resurrection, that of Israel nationally, that of the elect Church literally, by transfiguration at Christ's coming.




(4) Daniel "understood not" (Dan 12:8) the full meaning in detail, and the exact times, meant by the Spirit, in his own prophecy. How utterly mistaken, then, they are who think that "prophecy came by the will of man" (2 Peter 1:21) - that is, was the mere prompting of the sacred writers' own will, imagination, genius, and modes of thought. Nothing proves more unanswerably that the Holy Spirit miraculously and extraordinarily inspired the sacred writers, than the fact that they themselves "searched diligently" (1 Peter 1:10-12) to discover what was the mind of the Spirit in the revelations imparted through them. Even Daniel must wait for the unfolding of his own prophecies "until the time of the end" (Dan 12:9).

(5) During the period that is elapsing between the past profanation of the sanctuary and its future restoration in glory, our duty is, as also the duty of those who shall hereafter see it restored and profaned again prior to its final restoration, shall be, to be ever "waiting." "Blessed is he that waiteth and cometh" to the appointed end! (Dan 12:12) Whether we shall be found alive, or asleep and at rest in the grave, when Christ shall come, if only we be found waiting and watching for His coming, we shall stand justified before God, and shall receive our allotted inheritance in the I heavenly Canaan (Dan 12:13). Whatever be the lot of the saints in their earthly pilgrimage, their lot at the end of the days shall be supremely blessed. This thought may well reconcile us to the adversities of our present portion, whatever it may be. Let us make it our one care to please God, and walk by the faith of the Son of God here, and to wait for His personal coming again in glory.

Interposing in their behoof could have prevented their nationality becoming fused into the several nationalities among whom they are scattered, according to the analogy of all other peoples so circumstanced. Israel is indeed, in her present and past state, an unanswerable witness for the truth of Scripture against the infidel and sceptic. Since a modern divine truly describes their state, 'Oppression has not extinguished them: favour has not bribed them. God has kept them from abandoning their mangled worship, or the Scriptures which they understand not, and whose true meaning they believe not: they have fed on the raisin husks of a barren ritual and unspiritual legalism, since the Holy Spirit they have grieved away' (Pusey).

(6) But the very peculiarity of their state, and of their nationality and worship of God, preserved under such anomalous circumstances, is the strongest pledge of assurance that, as the prophecy of their present and past isolation amidst dispersion has been so extraordinarily fulfilled, so also will the prophecy of their coming restoration to the Lord their God, and the Son of David their King, be fulfilled. It is for this end evidently that they are kept so distinct from all the peoples, waiting continually for Messiah to come and sit upon the throne of His father David, and reign over the house of Jacob forever (Luke 1:42-43). Then shall the goodness of the Lord toward them melt them into penitent love toward Him who has so marvelously covered over their past unfaithfulness, and into fear of ever more displeasing Him again and losing His favour (Hos 3:5). The same holds good in the case of the spiritual Israel, the Church, and of every true believer. The marvelous way whereby the Lord, through chastening discipline, has led us to Himself, and His gratuitous goodness, notwithstanding all our past unfaithfulness, will form a constraining bond of love binding us to our God and our Saviour indissolubly. We shall ever be receiving fresh revelations of that goodness which rejoices to impart itself to His people, and this shall be the chief happiness of the true Israel of God forever.

I understand that we dont always agree on interpretation, but then it isnt how we interpret thing thats important! Our diligent seeking and waiting on & for our Lord Jesus Christ, and His knowledge of the end IS MOST IMPORTANT!

God Bless, and Heaven is waiting!
Rev. Zack Marti Sr.




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In His Name,
Rev. Zack martin Sr.

updated by @zack-martin: 02/20/15 09:37:01AM
Dee Smith
Dee Smith
@dee-smith
11 years ago
10 posts
Very well done preacher. God bless you and thanks for the Word.
Ken Rich
Ken Rich
@ken-rich
11 years ago
5 posts

Hi Zack,

I've come downwith pneumonia. I can't concentrate enough to read the whole thing at the moment. I'll have to return to this at a later date - sorry.




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Zack Martin
Zack Martin
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11 years ago
70 posts

Ken - take care of yourself, and know that I am praying for you. I am so sorry for your illness. "Lord, please be with my Brother in Christ, Ken Rich, give him a measure of healing, and be with him through this endeavor of pneumonia. Also, be with those standing by him during this time. We love him and know that YOU love him. May your Blessing be upon him. In Jesus Name I Pray, Amen!!"




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Ken Rich
Ken Rich
@ken-rich
11 years ago
5 posts

Hi Zack,

I'm still somewhat sick (not 100% better)and have only skimmed this but I notice Newton was quoted: Newton, referring this prophecy to the Eastern apostasy, Mohammedanism, remarks that the same period of three and a half years, or 1,260 prophetic days, is assigned to it as is assigned to the Western apostasy of the little horn (Dan 7:25); and so, says Prideaux, Mohammed began to forge his imposture, retiring to his cave 606 AD, the very year that Phocas made the grant to the Bishop of Rome, whence he assumed the title, The Universal Pastor; Antichrist thus setting both feet on Christendom

Newton was a historicist who believed in the day for a year principle, thus the 1260 days were 1260 years. Some take the start date at 538 some at 606 (there are few other start dates) but the 1260 year reign of the little horn of Daniel 7 would be the Papacy during the Middle ages. In that all historicists agree.

Here you are again talking about years and the day for a year principle.

...thinks the 1,260 years begin when Justinian in 533 AD subjected the Eastern churches to John II, Bishop of Rome; ending in 1792, when the code Napoleon was established and the Pope was dishonoured. 1,290 reach to 1822, about the time of the waning of the Turkish power, the successor to Greece in the empire of the East.

Again day for a year:

Forty-five years more end in 1867, the end of the times of the Gentiles." See Lev 26:24, "I will punish you yet seven times for your sins" - "seven times," i.e., 7 X 360, or 2,520 years. 652 BC is the date of Judah's captivity beginning under Manasses; 2,520 from this date end in 1868, thus nearly harmonizing with the previous date, 1867. See note, also, Dan 8:14, "Unto two thousand and three hundred days."

However, in this part of your post you are abandoning the historicist time line and jumping intoRibera's futurism: ...constitute the reign of the personal Antichrist; in the last three and a half, the period of final tribulation

The sources you quoted above like Newton would have saw this 31/2 years as 1260 days, or 42 months, and using a day for a year this makes the 31/2 yearsthe 1260 year reign of the Papacy in the Middle ages. The anti-Christ being not personal, but a system with a man at it's head - the Pope. A great explanation of this aspect of the prophecies is in "The Approaching End of the Age"by H. Grattan Guinness D.D. CHAPTER II. THE MAN OF SIN, OR ANTICHRIST .

Also, the separation between Israel and the Church is not viewed the samein orthodox Christian eschatology, as it is in dispensational futurism. We are also looking for Israel to be restored from dispersion and joined again to the olive tree but not thesame way. It'sby accepting Christ and the terms of the new covenant, not restoring the obsolete temple sacrifice system and making a peace pact with a personal anti-Christ.

That literal 31/2 years,personal anti-Christ, and peace pact with Jews comes from theJesuit Ribera butchering one clause,of one line,in Daniel 9:27. Explainedif you scroll down (just past half way) tothe short extract from " Approaching End of the Age " by H. Grattan Guinness D.D. - HERE

I don't understand why some elements of historicism are mixed with futurism in your post??? It doesn't make sense to me. If it were one or the other, it would be easier to categorize and to know what school you belong to and what you are driving at?

This Messianicsite (surprisingly) has an historicist view of Daniel 10,11,12 posted that I find quite satisfying - HERE While I don't see eye to eye on many things with the owner, my hat is off on the interpretation of chapters 11, 12.




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Zack Martin
Zack Martin
@zack-martin
11 years ago
70 posts

Hi Ken - I believe the historical part of Daniel, but I also believe that just as the Jewish nation has suffer through many Antichrists during their years of existence, will also in the end time go through a last Antichrist at the end, when Jesus finally makes His second return to once and for ever defeat the antichrist, the beast, and Satan (the Dragon). My beliefs also include the first resurrection, and the taking of all of the Saints that are still here at His return (Although the word Rapture isn't in the Bible). 1st Thessalonians 1 Thess 4:16-18

16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage each other with these words. NIV

This IS a time to come, and we WILL be part of it, for we will come back with Jesus when He makes His 2nd coming at the battle of Armageddon. We will be the ones on the white horses cheering on Jesus as He defeats the kings of the east. So, I guess you can say I am both historic and futuristic. I agree with you that 1867 or 1868 was the 1260 years plus another 30 years (1290 years), plus and additional 45 years for a total of 1335 years that makes it about 1867 or 1868).. I believe there IS a literal Antichrist, Beast, and Dragon (Satan) in the end. About the same time as this happens is also about the time of the rapture. Why else would God tell Daniel to seal up the book of prophesy He gave to Daniel until the end time? Israel has gone through countless persecutions and bondage throughout their history (as they were when Daniel wrote the book of Daniel). I also agree that it will from the papacy of Rome that the final persecution and bondage come from. I understand completely about the historical view and support that, but it will happen one last time in the end! And I believe in one last personal Antichrist, and personal Beast, and the Dragon (Satan).

I don't believe I am compromising the historical views just because I believe in a tribulation at the end times. Seven years total with the last 3 and 1/2 years being the Great Tribulation. The prophecy God gave Daniel for Israel was happening then, but the part that was sealed up until the end indicates one last period of tribulation and persecution. This is the way I see it.

How about Jesus' 1000 years reign here on earth? Is that time, or eternity? I believe it is under time, and after this reign when the antichrist, the beast, and Satan are cast into the lake, when sin is no more time end and mankind is back in eternity. You see time began when man sinned, and it ends when sin is once and for all defeated.

God Bless - Zack




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Ken Rich
Ken Rich
@ken-rich
11 years ago
5 posts

Hi Zack,

As someone from the Premillennial Historicist camp, I would agree with a coming thousand year reign. I would also agree in using the day for a year principle in symbolic prophecy -exact start and stop points remain a debatable matter, but the principle is sound.

I would agree that 1 Thess 4:16-18 speaks of the first resurrection and catching away of the saints. However, I don't see a secret pre-trib rapture before this.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days... .... they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

It is not us comingon horses to return with Christ - he is coming with his holy ones (Angels) not secretly raptured saints.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels , and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

We will have to agree to disagree on a literal 3 1/2 year future great tribulation with a personal anti-Christ. The Jesuit Francisco Ribera got that by inserting an erroneousgap of over 2,000 years into Daniel 9:26-27, and havinga personalanti-Christ (Beliar myth), fulfill what Christ has already fulfilled.

Ribera'smanipulation of this versewas adopted by Darby and spread into Protestant circles, but this is an error very strongly refuted HERE by H. Grattan Guinness D. D.

Byway of example, Matthew Henry (below) has a brief exposition of theproper Protestant interpretation of Daniel 9. There is no gap or anti-Christmaking a peace pact with the Jews in that verse.

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

We have, in verses 24-27, one of the most remarkable prophecies of Christ, of his coming and his salvation. It shows that the Jews are guilty of most obstinate unbelief, in expecting another Messiah, so long after the time expressly fixed for his coming. The seventy weeks mean a day for a year, or 490 years. About the end of this period a sacrifice would be offered, making full atonement for sin, and bringing in everlasting righteousness for the complete justification of every believer. Then the Jews, in the crucifixion of Jesus, would commit that crime by which the measure of their guilt would be filled up, and troubles would come upon their nation.

It's interesting that historicism.com which espouses roughly the same view I do, is run by a Baptist adhering to the London Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689. I am not a Baptist per se, but the premillennial historicist interpretation which that site and I both agree on, is shared bysuch luminaries as Henry Grattan Guinness, A. J. Gordon, Charles H. Spurgeon,and A. B. Simpson.

How you as a modern Baptist are now holding elements ofProtestant historicism and elements of Jesuit futurism at the same time, isa matter worthy of some investigation and reflection on your part.That Catholic counter-reformation doctrines are being taught fromBaptist seminaries today, is quite alarming from my perspective.

Be Blessed,

Ken




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