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Hi Sarah,I have stood on Mattthew 6 for years, it is one of my favorite chapters in the Bible.It reminds us, that we need not worry, because God is happy to provide for our necessities - if we put him first, instead of chasing after worldly things.It also teaches us how to pray, to not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words Instead to simply ask God for forgiveness, protection, daily bread, etc., with the Lord's prayer as a wonderful example.It certainly implies we don't have to go into every little detail about our needs, but it's not a prohibition against asking for anything but guidance. That's taking it to an extreme that contradicts many clear verses. It's simply a rebuke to greed and faithlessness, plus a practical instruction in how to relate to God.I'm sorry if we can't agree on this, but that's the way I see it.Be Blessed,Ken
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Hi Donald,I don't have time to look at that link, I haven't given the first one a proper look yet - lol.However, I totally agree with what you are saying about being cautious.Also, my personal observation over the years, is that many people go to extremes. What I mean is, that in order to avoid the counterfeit, they avoid everything supernatural, which robs them of the Spiritual gifts God wishes to give them.

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Thanks David!

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Hi Sarah,It's 3:17 AM where I am, I've been re-wiring my studio, trying to keep up with things on the network, checking my e-mails, and am still "putting off" some important work for other people - but I will give you a quick reply on this.Every time we pray the Lord's Prayer, we are asking God for more than discernment. We ask for our daily bread, we ask for forgiveness, we ask not to be led into temptation, we ask to be delivered from evil.If you only believe in asking for guidance, and nothing else, you can't pray the Lord's Prayer!Also, why do you believe that the 144,000 is a literal number, in the midst of a highly symbolic passage?You say that we have no need to ask for salvation, or spiritual gifts, but my Bible says God gives his Spirit to those who ask. Without the Spirit, you are none of his, and have no part of the Father or the Son, you have no salvation (Romans 8:9).Notice this passage in Luke, and tell me who does it say he gives his Spirit to - those who ask!Luke 11:9-13 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. ...If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?I don't have time to go into this more right now, it's 4 AM, and I have to get up at 7 AM, so I will just let the Bible speak for itself. I do not see the asking as limited to just guidance, and you are the only person I have ever met that took that extreme position. Think about it!Matthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.Philippians 4:6 Be anxious for nothing; but in every thing (not just guidance) by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.James 4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.1 John 5:14-15 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

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Hi Sarah,You obviously watched the video much more closely than I did, to pick up on details like that. As I said, my time is very limited, when I get a chance, I will give it the attention it deserves. What you find offensive, may not be offensive to me, or to God.The Bible says we are "sons of light", that we are "Kings and Priests" (royalty), that "the Lord is well pleased with his people". I have no problem with the lyric that offended you.As for asking God, you are quite correct to say there is something wrong with the way some Christians ask, their motivation, what they ask for.James 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.However, you go too far to the opposite extreme, and limit our asking to only knowledge and discernment. That is dead wrong.We are to desire and ask God for many things. Salvation itself, the gifts of the Spirit - which includes healing. Protection, help, forgiveness, subsistence, I could go on - the Bible is full of examples.In fact, we are to depend on God to supply our physical needs - food, clothes, lodging, etc. The pagans run after these things, but we are to depend on God for them.Matt. 6:33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as wellDoubtless, you will point out it says 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.You interpret this as - no asking, no lists, but that is not the intent. In verse 7 it points out the problem - "do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words"Then in verse 9-13 he teaches us the proper way to pray. Notice, even in the Lord's prayer - we are to ask for our daily bread, for forgiveness, for protection.Don't "throw out the baby with the bathwater" - lol. Find some "balance" on this topic.Stay Blessed,Ken

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Hi Sarah,I'm not sure that the claim is being made, that this music has some power of its own to heal, other than what comes from God. From what I could glean from a quick run through of the video (while I was simultaneously checking e-mails), she is suggesting that she is anointed with the Spirit of God. She is claiming that the healing is from God, and her gift of music as well.I have to "sit on the fence" because I haven't had a chance to give her Ministry a proper hearing.Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto himCall it a lack of discernment if you will, but I find it wise not to make rash judgments.Also, God does want us to make known (list) our desires (requests), even though he already knows them. I'm not sure I follow your reasoning in saying it is unnecessary to ask God.James 4:2 ...You do not have, because you do not ask God.Phil. 4:6 ...by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.Luke 11:9 So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you...John 16: 24 Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.I can't spend anymore time on this now, I'm way behind on some other things.Be Blessed,Ken

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I agree, "quick to judge" is not a good attribute, and "woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil".I like to take things slow and reserve my opinion for when I'm absolutely sure of the facts.I would love to do a "follow up" on her Ministry, when things slow down a bit, and I can devote the proper attention to it.

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I agree there is a Biblical basis for anointed music Ministry. It would be wonderful if that is what is actually occurring in the case of Teresa Griffith.I haven't seen enough information about her, to make a judgment about it, one way or another - but I am intrigued by the possibility.One thing is certain - she is certainly gifted as a flute player.

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Well, that's a little stronger than I would put it. I'm just a little wary, with all the scams being perpetrated, especially with healing Ministries.Benny Hinn, Peter Popov, and others, have been exposed as fakes - but people still flock to them. Marjoe Gortner was a self proclaimed false faith healer, he made an interesting movie on the phenomenon.I would certainly want a lot more information before buying into her Ministry. That being said, I don't rule out the possibility of the miraculous. We serve a God of miracles and power, it's unfortunate that there is also a counterfeit at work.I guess, in a way, I wanted other opinions because I don't have time to look into this myself, but I saw enough to find it intriguing. Especially, with the interactive music aspect of it. I would need to know more before making a final judgment.

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I watched the Sid Roth interview - it's interesting, some fantastic claims are being made about the healing nature of her music. Not the typical music ministry scenario at all.