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Zack Martin
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03/13/13 07:57:36PM
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Daniel Chapter 12!


Christian Teachings

The following discussion topic on Daniel is quiet long, and time consuming. You can skip to the bottom where I have put things I believe in summary. If you don't agree with me, it's alright, I won't condemn you, and expect the same from you. If you have the time, though, please read the entire study.

The Book Of Daniel Chapter 12

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. NIV

Compare Dan 12:4,13. As Dan 12:6-7 refer to Dan 8:25 - i.e., to the time of Antichrist-so the subsequent verses, Dan 12:8-12, treat of the time of Antiochus (cf. Dan 12:11 with Dan 11:31): thus are put together in one summary view the two great periods of distress-the typical period of Antiochus, and the antitypical one of Antichrist. The political resurrection of the Jews under the Maccabees is the starting-point of transition to the literal resurrection about to follow the destruction of Antichrist by Christ's coming in glory. The language passes here from the nearer to the more remote event, to which alone it is fully applicable.

In Bible College we were taught that the Jewish nation went through periods of (1) Service to the One God Jehovah , (2) Rebellion (separation from God), (3) Repentance (coming back to God), (4) Forgiveness (For their rebellion), (5) Rest (meaning back in Gods Will). From the beginning, from Abraham, through Israel, we find these characteristics among the Jewish people (i.e. The Blood Line of Christ). It is a recurring sequence for the nation Israel. They had a habit of service, rebellion, repentance, seeking forgiveness, and then rest (back in Gods Will. The Jews are Gods chosen people that brought forth His Son, Jesus Christ, to a world of wicked sinful people.

Dan 12:1

At that time - typically, toward the close of Antiochus' reign; antitypically, the time when Antichrist is to be destroyed at Christ's coming.

Dan 12:1

Shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people - the guardian angel of Israel ("thy people," Dan 10:13). The transactions on earth affecting God's people have their correspondences in heaven, in the conflict between good and bad angels; so at the last great contest on earth which shall decide the ascendancy of Christianity (Rev 12:7-10). An archangel, not the Lord Jesus; because he is distinguished from "the Lord" Michael, the Archangel, is the Guardian Angel if Israel! Not the Lord.

Jude 9
9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" NIV

Dan 12:1

There shall be - rather, 'it shall be.'

Dan 12:1

A time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time - partially applicable to the time of Antiochus, who was the first subverter of the Jews' religion, and persecutor of its professors, which no other world-power previously had done. Fully applicable to the last times of Antichrist, and his persecutions of Israel restored to Palestine. Satan will be allowed to exercise an unhindered, unparalleled energy (Isa 26:20-21, "the indignation;" Jer 30:7; Matt 24:21: cf. Dan 8:24-25; 11:36).

As previously stated, Israel is Gods chosen people with a history of rebellion, repentance, forgiveness, service. Therefore, here in lies a 2-fold picture. What happened to the Jewish Nation, will be repeated in the end-times. Yes, history talks about the persecution of Antiochus, as previously stated, but it also refers to the end time.

Dan 12:1

And at that time thy people shall be delivered - (Rom 11:26). The same deliverance of Israel as in Zech 13:8-9, "I will bring the third part ... through the fire, and will refine them as silver." The remnant in Israel shall be spared, as not having joined in the anti-Christian blasphemy of worshipping the beast and his image, and of receiving his mark in the forehead or in the hand (Rev 14:9-10). This remnant is not to be confounded with those who have confessed Christ before His second coming, "the remnant according to the election of grace" (Rom 11:5), who form part of the church of the first-born, and who will share HIS millennial reign in glorified bodies; but the spared remnant of Israel in the flesh (Isa 10:21) will only know the Lord Jesus when they see Him, and when the spirit of grace and supplication is poured out on them (Tregelles).

Dan 12:1

Every one that shall be found written in the book - namely, of God's secret purpose, as destined for deliverance (Ps 56:8; 69:28; Luke 10:20; Rev 20:15; 21:27). Metaphor from a muster-roll of citizens, or register of genealogy in which whosoever is not found written is removed from participation in civic rights (Neh 7:5).

You see, the Children of God (those written in the book), goes back through the Old Testament too. In my humble opinion, the Bible takes us through the scarlet tread of Jesus, and up to the end-time. So again, John 3:16 (the salvation that God offers, His people, and also a Gentile people is found throughout Gods word. There is only one Grace and that is through Jesus Christ our Lord. The sealed Book of Life will be opened at the end of time.

How can you put time in eternity? Time began when Adam & Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden. Time will end when Jesus defeats the Antichrist, the Beast, & Satan. No sin equals eternity, so when sin is defeated and all with sin are cast into the lake of fire, we (the children of God) will have eternity free from sin!

Dan 12:2

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Dan 12:2

Many of them that sleep - translate as the Hebrew, 'many from among the sleepers [miysheeneey] ... these shall be unto everlasting life; but those (the rest of the sleepers who do not awake at this time) shall be unto shame' (Tregelles). Not the general resurrection, but that of those who share in the first resurrection; the rest of the dead being not to rise until the end of the thousand years (Rev 20:3,5-6: cf. 1 Cor 15:23; 1 Thess 4:16). Those who shall have died before the first resurrection, and who nevertheless partake not in it, shall at the final general resurrection, which shall include those who die after the first resurrection, awake to shame and everlasting contempt. Israel's national resurrection, and the first resurrection of the elect church, are similarly connected with the Lord's coming forth out of His place to punish the earth in Isa 26:19,21; 27:6. Compare Isa 25:6-9.

I am posting 1 Cor 15:23-26, because this best sums up what Jesus will be doing during His 1,000 year reign!

23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. NIV

WOW! THE LAST ENEMY DESTROYED IS DEATH! PRAISE GOD!! PRAISE GOD!!

Dan 12:2

The Jewish commentators support Tregelles. Auberlen thinks the sole purpose lot which the resurrection is introduced in this verse is an incitement to faithful perseverance in the persecutions of Antiochus; and that there is no chronological connection between the time of trouble in Dan 12:1 and the resurrection in Dan 12:2; whence the phrase, "at that time," twice occurs in Dan 12:1, but no fixing of time in Dan 12:2-3. 2 Macc. 7:9,14,23 shows the fruit of this prophecy of the resurrection unto everlasting life, in animating the Maccabean mother and her sons to brave death, while confessing the resurrection in words like those here. Compare Heb 11:35. Newton's view that "many" means all is not so probable; because Rom 5:15,19, which he quotes, is not in point, since the Greek is 'the many;' i.e., all (literally, 'If through the offence of the One the many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift which is by the grace of the One man Jesus Christ, abounded unto the many'); but there is no article in the Hebrew here. Here only in the Old Testament is "everlasting life" mentioned.

Dan 12:3
Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Dan 12:3

And they that be wise - (Prov 11:30). Answering to "they that understand" (Dan 11:33,35), the same Hebrew [hamaskiliym]; Israelites who, though in Jerusalem when wickedness is coming to an head, are found intelligent witnesses against it, and "instruct many" in the right way.

Dan 12:3

Shall shine as the brightness of the firmament. As then they appeared worn out with persecutions (typically of Antiochus; antitypically, of Antichrist), so now, in the resurrection they "shine as the brightness of the firmament." The assign of past afflictions here appears "to make them white" (Matt 13:43; Rev 7:9,14). Again, a two fold interpretation! Both then & also the the end-time!

Dan 12:3

And they that turn many to righteousness - literally, justify, i.e., convert many to justification through Christ (James 5:20).

As the stars forever and ever - (1 Cor 15:41-42).

Dan 12:4

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Dan 12:4

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book. John, on the contrary, is told (Rev 22:10) not to seal his visions: because Daniel's prophecy refers to a distant time, and is therefore obscure for the immediate future, whereas John's was to be speedily fulfilled (Rev 1:1,3; 22:6). Israel, to whom Daniel prophesied after the captivity, with premature zeal sought after signs of the predicted period, as though it were then immediately coming. Compare the disciples' question, "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?" Daniel's prophecy was design to restrain this. The Gentile Church, on the contrary, for whom John wrote, needs to be impressed with the shortness of the period, as it is, owing to its Gentile origin, apt to conform to the world, and to forget the nearness of the coming

Dan 12:4

Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased - not referring to the modern rapidity of locomotion, as some think, nor to Christian missionaries going about to preach the Gospel to the world at large (Barnes), which the context scarcely admits; but, whereas now but few care for this prophecy of God by thee, Daniel, "at the time of the end" - i.e., near its fulfillment - "many shall run to and fro;" i.e., scrutinize it, running through every page. Compare Hab 2:2, my note; Amos 8:12, "They shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord" (Calvin); or, "run to and fro," announcing to all who come in their way the explanation of the prophecy which shall then be unsealed: it is thereby that 'the knowledge (so the Hebrew is [hadaa`at]) (namely, of God's purposes as revealed in prophecy) shall be increased.' "Running" is the characteristic mark of one who professes to have a divine communication to announce (Jer 23:21, "I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran"). This is probably be ing now fulfilled. God's prescience and His providence are becoming better known by the diligent investigation of the prophecies, of Daniel. It, is not knowledge in general, but 'the knowledge of prophecy which the Hebrew and the context show to be what is meant here.

Dan 12:5

Dan 12:5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.

Dan 12:5

Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side. A vision of two other angels, one on one side of the Hiddekel or Tigris, the other on the other side, implying that on all sides angels attend to execute God's commands. The angel addressing Daniel had been over the river 'from above,' Dan 12:6, margin)

Dan 12:6

Dan 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?


Dan 12:6

And one - namely, of the two (Dan 12:5).

Dan 12:6

Said to the man clothed in linen - who had spoken up to this point. God impelled the angel to ask, in order to awaken us out of our torpor, seeing that the very "angels desire to look into" the things affecting man's redemption (1 Peter 1:12), as setting forth the glory of their Lord and ours (Eph 3:10, "To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God").

Dan 12:6

Which was upon the waters - rather, 'which was over the waters from above' [mima`al, as in Isa 6:2].

Dan 12:6

How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? This question of the angel refers to the final dealings of God in general, Antichrist's overthrow, and the resurrection. Daniel's question Dan 12:8, "What shall be the end of these things?") refers to the more immediate future of his nation (Auberlen).

Dan 12:7

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Dan 12:7

I heard the man clothed in linen ... when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven. Usually the right hand was held up in affirmation as an appeal to heaven to attest the truth (Deut 32:40; Rev 10:5-6). Here both hands are lifted up for the fuller confirmation.



Dan 12:7

And aware by him that liveth forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and an half - (see note, Dan 7:25). Newton, referring this prophecy to the Eastern apostasy, Mohammedanism, remarks that the same period of three and a half years, or 1,260 prophetic days, is assigned to it as is assigned to the Western apostasy of the little horn (Dan 7:25); and so, says Prideaux, Mohammed began to forge his imposture, retiring to his cave 606 AD, the very year that Phocas made the grant to the Bishop of Rome, whence he assumed the title, The Universal Pastor; Antichrist thus setting both feet on Christendom together, the one in the east and the other in the west. Three and a half is the time of the world-power in which the earthly kingdoms rule over the heavenly (Auberlen). 'Three and a half' represents the idea of spiritual trial (besides this certain symbolical meaning, there is doubtless an accurate chronological meaning, which is as yet to us uncertain); it is half of 'seven,' the complete number, so a semi-perfect state, one of probation. The holy city is trodden by the Gentiles 42 months (Rev 11:2); so the exercise of the power of the beast (Rev 13:5) was limited to "forty and two months." The two witnesses preach in sackcloth 1,260 days, and remain unburied three days and a half; so the woman in the wilderness "hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days," and also that she should be there "nourished for a time, times, and half a time" (Rev 11:3,9,11; 12:6,14). Much has been written about the 3 and years (42 months, 1260 days). I like the definition, Spiritual Trial, for the 3 and years.

Forty-two connects the Church with Israel, whose haltings in the wilderness were 42 (Num 33:1-50). The famine and drought on Israel in Elijah's days were for "three years and six months" (Luke 4:25; James 5:17); the same period as Antiochus' persecution (note, Dan 8:4); so the ministry of Christ, the Man of Sorrows (made "sin" for us) which ceased "in the midst of the week" (Dan 9:27). (Wordsworth, 'Apocalypses') Accordingly, the duration of Antichrist, "the man of sin," is to be three and a half years.

Dan 12:7

And when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. "Accomplished" here answers to "even until the consummation" (Dan 9:27) - namely, the "pouring out" of the last dregs of the curse on the 'desolated' "holy people." Israel's lowest humiliation (the utter 'scattering of her power') is the precursor of her exaltation, as it leads her to seek her God and Messiah (Matt 23:39).

Dan 12:8

Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

Dan 12:8

I heard, but I understood not. Daniel "understood" the main features of the vision as to Antiochus (Dan 10:1,14), but not as to the end times. 1 Peter 1:10-12 refers mainly to Daniel: for it is he who foretells "the suffering of Christ, and the glory that should follow;" it is he who prophesies "not unto himself, but unto us;" it is he who "inquired and searched diligently, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ in him did signify."

Dan 12:9

Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Dan 12:9

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. Daniel's desire of knowing more is thus deferred "till the time of the end." John's Revelation in part reveals what here is veiled (note, Dan 12:4, and Dan 8:26).

Dan 12:10

Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Dan 12:10

Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. There is no need of a fuller explanation as to the time: for when the predictions so far given shall have come to pass, the godly shall be "purified" by the foretold trials, and shall understand that the end is at hand; but the wicked shall not understand, and so shall rush on their own ruin (Dan 11:33-35). (Maurer.) The "end" is primarily that of Antiochus' persecution; antitypically, the end of Antichrist's. It is the very clearness in the main which renders necessary the partial obscurity. The fulfillment of God's decree is not a mere arithmetical problem, which the profane may understand by arithmetical calculation; but a holy enigma, to stimulate to a faithful observance of God's ways, and to a diligent study of the history of God's people (Auberlen). To this Christ refers, Matt 24:15, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoso readeth, let him understand)." Again a 2 fold interpretation, then & to come.

Dan 12:11

Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Dan 12:11

From the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days - (Dan 11:31, (the willful king, or the king of the north) "shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate"). As to this epoch, which probably is prophetically germinant and manifold, the profanation of the temple by Antiochus, continuing from the month Ijar of the year 145 BC until the restoration of the worship by Judas Maccabeus on the 25 th day of the ninth month (Chisleu) of 143 BC, according to the Seleucid era, occupies 1,290 days; forty-five days more elapsed before Antiochus' death in the month Shebas of 148 BC, so ending the Jews' calamities.

Thus the sum in all will be a "thousand three hundred and five and thirty days" (Dan 12:12). (Maurer.) The second epoch from which the 1,290 days may be counted is the profanation of the temple by pagan Rome under Titus (Dan 9:26), after Christ's death. The third epoch from which the 1,290 days may be counted is the profanation of the temple by Mohammed. The last epoch from which to count the 1,290 days is the profanation of the temple by Antichrist, the culmination of apostate Rome. The "abomination" must reach its climax (see Auberlen's translation of Dan 9:27, 'the desolating summit of abominations'), and the measure of iniquity be full, before Messiah comes.

Dan 12:11

A thousand two hundred and ninety days - a month beyond the "time, times, and a half" (Dan 12:7). In Dan 12:12 forty-five days more are added, in all 1,335 days. Tregelles thinks Jesus at his coming will deliver the Jews. An interval elapses (answering to the thirty days by which 1,290 exceeds the 1,260 of the time, times, and a half) during which their consciences are awakened to repentance and faith in Him. A second interval elapses (answering to the additional 45 days by which the 1,335 exceed the 1,290) in which Israel's outcasts are gathered, and then the united blessing takes place. These stages are marked by the 1,260, 1,290, and 1,335 days. Cumming thinks the 1,260 years begin when Justinian in 533 AD subjected the Eastern churches to John II, Bishop of Rome; ending in 1792, when the code Napoleon was established and the Pope was dishonoured. 1,290 reach to 1822, about the time of the waning of the Turkish power, the successor to Greece in the empire of the East.

Forty-five years more end in 1867, the end of the times of the Gentiles." See Lev 26:24, "I will punish you yet seven times for your sins" - "seven times," i.e., 7 X 360, or 2,520 years. 652 BC is the date of Judah's captivity beginning under Manasses; 2,520 from this date end in 1868, thus nearly harmonizing with the previous date, 1867. See note, also, Dan 8:14, "Unto two thousand and three hundred days." The seventh millennary of the world (Clinton) begins in 1862. Seven years to 1869 (the date of the second advent) constitute the reign of the personal Antichrist; in the last three and a half, the period of final tribulation, Enoch (or else Moses) and Elijah, the two witnesses, prophesy in sackcloth. This theory is very dubious (cf. Matt 24:36, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only;" Acts 1:7; 1 Thess 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10); the event alone can tell whether the chronological coincidences of such theories are fortuitous, or solid data on which to fix the future times. Hailes makes the periods, 1,260, 1,290, 1,335, begin with the Roman destruction of Jerusalem, and end with the precursory dawn of the reformation, the preaching of Wycliffe and Huss. Many 3 and years, 1260 days, 42 months, etc. have occurred throughout the history of Christianity, and it will happen again when the book is unsealed at the end-time.

Dan 12:12

Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Dan 12:12

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. See note on Dan 12:11; cf. "Blessed are they which are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb," Rev 19:9; also Rev 20:6, "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection," etc.

Dan 12:13

Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy

Dan 12:13

Go thou thy way until the end be: for thou shalt rest - in the grave (Job 3:17; Isa 57:2, "He (the righteous) shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds"): He, like his people Israel, was to wait patiently and confidently for the blessing until God's time. He "received not the promise," but had to wait until the Christian elect saints should be brought in, at the first resurrection, "God having provided some better thing for us," that he and the other Old Testament saints "without us should not be made perfect" (Heb 11:40).

And stand in thy lot at the end of the days - implying justification unto life, as opposed to condemnation (Ps 1:5, "The ungodly shall not stand in the judgment").

Thy lot - image from the allotment of the earthly Canaan.

Closing Thoughts: (1) Israel's national resurrection, and the first or the literal resurrection of the elect saints, shall he about the same time. Shame and everlasting contempt shall be the portion at last of those dead who shall not share in the first resurrection. But "blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him" (Rev 20:6). Here is an incentive to faith, hope, and love, that we may be counted worthy to obtain the resurrection from the dead (Luke 20:35-36; Phil 3:4).

(2) In that coming day they alone shall be counted "wise" (Dan 12:3) who have been wise for their own souls and for eternity, and wise in winning other souls also to salvation. Once the great men of the world seemed wise, and believers, who denied worldly lusts, seemed fools; but at the resurrection all unrealities shall be unmasked, and realities shall be seen in their true light. The Israelites who shall have protested with true spiritual wisdom against the blasphemous falsehoods of Antiochus and of his antitype, Antichrist, though in the day of the world's triumph they seemed to be almost cast down and prostrated, shall in the great day of the Lord shine as the brightness of the firmament: they who shall have turned many to righteousness, so as to be justified through faith, shall shine, not only with their own glory, but also with the reflected glory of those whom they have led to Christ, the sun of righteousness. They shall shine as the stars forever and ever. What a stimulus is given us wherein, not only to seek our own salvation, but to labour for that of others-not only to work for the Lord, but to "abound in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as we know that our labour is not in vain in the Lord" (1 Cor 15:58).

(3) Daniel is told to "shut up the words and seal the book to the time of the end," whereby it is implied that the events foretold by him were in his day as yet distant, and his prophecy was therefore to be not so much scrutinized, as being then obscure. But though his words were then not understood by his countrymen, who prematurely sought an immediate fulfillment of the promises of Messiah, yet he is assured that toward the time of the fulfillment of the prophecy "many shall run to and fro," diligently searching into and eagerly announcing its truths, and so 'the knowledge' of those truths "shall be increased" (Dan 12:4).

Moreover, the end, though distant, is appointed at a time fixed in the counsels, and confirmed with an oath "by Him that liveth forever." We may not be able to explain what is the exact period meant by the "time, times, and an half;" but it is our comfort to know that the time of Israel's and the Church's affliction is short, as compared with the everlasting times of blessedness which are to follow. There is a correspondence between the three and a half times of suffering of Christ's body, the Church, and the three and a half years of Christ's own suffering, in order that in all things He, the Head, and we, the members, should be assimilated. It is when the scattering of the Church's and of Israel's power shall have been accomplished (Dan 12:7), that then their brief period of death (Rev 11:7-11), as in their Lord's own case, shall be followed by resurrection, that of Israel nationally, that of the elect Church literally, by transfiguration at Christ's coming.




(4) Daniel "understood not" (Dan 12:8) the full meaning in detail, and the exact times, meant by the Spirit, in his own prophecy. How utterly mistaken, then, they are who think that "prophecy came by the will of man" (2 Peter 1:21) - that is, was the mere prompting of the sacred writers' own will, imagination, genius, and modes of thought. Nothing proves more unanswerably that the Holy Spirit miraculously and extraordinarily inspired the sacred writers, than the fact that they themselves "searched diligently" (1 Peter 1:10-12) to discover what was the mind of the Spirit in the revelations imparted through them. Even Daniel must wait for the unfolding of his own prophecies "until the time of the end" (Dan 12:9).

(5) During the period that is elapsing between the past profanation of the sanctuary and its future restoration in glory, our duty is, as also the duty of those who shall hereafter see it restored and profaned again prior to its final restoration, shall be, to be ever "waiting." "Blessed is he that waiteth and cometh" to the appointed end! (Dan 12:12) Whether we shall be found alive, or asleep and at rest in the grave, when Christ shall come, if only we be found waiting and watching for His coming, we shall stand justified before God, and shall receive our allotted inheritance in the I heavenly Canaan (Dan 12:13). Whatever be the lot of the saints in their earthly pilgrimage, their lot at the end of the days shall be supremely blessed. This thought may well reconcile us to the adversities of our present portion, whatever it may be. Let us make it our one care to please God, and walk by the faith of the Son of God here, and to wait for His personal coming again in glory.

Interposing in their behoof could have prevented their nationality becoming fused into the several nationalities among whom they are scattered, according to the analogy of all other peoples so circumstanced. Israel is indeed, in her present and past state, an unanswerable witness for the truth of Scripture against the infidel and sceptic. Since a modern divine truly describes their state, 'Oppression has not extinguished them: favour has not bribed them. God has kept them from abandoning their mangled worship, or the Scriptures which they understand not, and whose true meaning they believe not: they have fed on the raisin husks of a barren ritual and unspiritual legalism, since the Holy Spirit they have grieved away' (Pusey).

(6) But the very peculiarity of their state, and of their nationality and worship of God, preserved under such anomalous circumstances, is the strongest pledge of assurance that, as the prophecy of their present and past isolation amidst dispersion has been so extraordinarily fulfilled, so also will the prophecy of their coming restoration to the Lord their God, and the Son of David their King, be fulfilled. It is for this end evidently that they are kept so distinct from all the peoples, waiting continually for Messiah to come and sit upon the throne of His father David, and reign over the house of Jacob forever (Luke 1:42-43). Then shall the goodness of the Lord toward them melt them into penitent love toward Him who has so marvelously covered over their past unfaithfulness, and into fear of ever more displeasing Him again and losing His favour (Hos 3:5). The same holds good in the case of the spiritual Israel, the Church, and of every true believer. The marvelous way whereby the Lord, through chastening discipline, has led us to Himself, and His gratuitous goodness, notwithstanding all our past unfaithfulness, will form a constraining bond of love binding us to our God and our Saviour indissolubly. We shall ever be receiving fresh revelations of that goodness which rejoices to impart itself to His people, and this shall be the chief happiness of the true Israel of God forever.

I understand that we dont always agree on interpretation, but then it isnt how we interpret thing thats important! Our diligent seeking and waiting on & for our Lord Jesus Christ, and His knowledge of the end IS MOST IMPORTANT!

God Bless, and Heaven is waiting!
Rev. Zack Marti Sr.


updated by @zack-martin: 02/20/15 09:37:01AM
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O, Ken, that's a great verse, and I love it! Thanks so much for reminding me of it. I will CLAIM THE PROMISE OF THAT VERSE RIGHT NOW!!! THANKS!
Zack Martin
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10/23/11 05:51:21PM
70 posts

Ninety Nine


Religion/Philosophy

Amen, Ken, I was trying only to cheer up a bit from my pain. I know and believe the Scriptures! I don't believe we will ever know the answers to ALL things, Some things are only for God to know.
Zack Martin
@zack-martin
10/23/11 03:35:51PM
70 posts

Ninety Nine


Religion/Philosophy

Luke 15:3-7

3 Then Jesus told them this parable: 4 "Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5 And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6 and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, 'Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep .' 7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent. NIV

I may be, and probably am chasing a rabbit here. I can't prove my thoughts, nor can I disprove them, but I have wondered over the years, What If? I know and understand that Jesus was talking about leaving the fold of sheep that were saved and going out to that ONE lost sheep. This has been the rule of my ministry all through the years, to get the gospel out to the lost, and give them a chance to accept the saving grace of Jesus. However, this thought to day (as far fetched as it may be) was first brought to my attention by my mother. My mother was probably the best prayer warrior that I ever had, and when she was healthy she read through her Bible each year. When I was born, the doctor that delivered me didnt believe I would live because of the difficulty of a breech birth, but my mother promised me to God if He would allow me to live. She never told me about this until after the Lord called me into the ministry in 1972. What Im trying to build is that my mother was one of the strongest people I knew in her faith.

One day, after I had finished my Biblical Studies and had been in the ministry for several years, she ask me is I thought there were any more planets like earth that had life on them. At that time I really had never thought deeply about it, and answer that I didnt know, but there could be. Her answer almost floored me! She said that she believed there were planets like ours throughout the universe. Then she told me what she thought Luke 15:3-7 could mean. Now I have already mentioned that I may be and probably am chasing rabbits (so to speak) on this, but What If? The parable of the ninety-nine saved and one lost sheep went further than earthly mankind? OK! Settle down this is just a thought challenge! But if there is life else where in the universe, could it be that there were 100 planets with life and Jesus left the 99 planets that hadnt sinned and came to earth (the only planet with sin) to make away for sinful mankind to have a way to get back into the fold? We know through Scripture that when Lucifer (Satan/Devil) rebelled against God, he and the angels that followed him, were cast out of Heaven to the EARTH. There are so many things that I will desire to know the answer to when I get to Heaven, but ever since mother asked me about this, it has stuck in my head, and I have never been able to prove or disprove her theory.

Unlike my earlier articles, this one is just a thought article, and I am opening it as a discussion to get others thoughts on the matter. I know, that like me, no one knows the answer, but it has bugged me through the years. O, I believe Jesus was saying that we need to get the gospel out to the lost of the world, but could there be an underlying message too? I asked this just to hear others thoughts? Im not crazy, just curious! LOL

Zack Martin


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Zack Martin
@zack-martin
10/12/11 03:38:37AM
70 posts

GOD'S STILL SMALL VOICE!


Religion/Philosophy

In the 19th chapter of 1 Kings we find King Ahab telling his wife Jezebel what Elijah had done to her prophets of Baal. How he slaughtered them with the sword. Jezebel sent a message to Elijah and heres what she said;

1 Kings 19:2 - 3

2 Then Jezebel sent a messenger unto Elijah, saying, So let the gods do to me, and more also, if I make not thy life as the life of one of them by to morrow about this time.

3 And when he saw that, he arose, and went for his life, and came to Beer-sheba, which belongeth to Judah, and left his servant there.

So Elijah fled for his life: 1 Kings 19 : 4. But he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a juniper tree: and he requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O LORD, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers.

The fears that we sometimes have to face are very vivid and real. In Elijahs mind, if he hadnot fled he would surely have died. The real things in this world make us doubt the power of God. Elijah had just saw God send down fire from heaven and consume the sacrifice he offered in his test against the prophets of Baal. He saw black clouds arise with heavy rains, and the drought and famine was broken. He saw the children of Israel fall prostrate on the ground and turn back to God. He knew this was just the beginning of what God wanted him to do, but the fear of death got the best of him, and he found himself under a Juniper tree.

I suspect there are Juniper trees in all our lives. I know there have been for me. I loved life to it fullest, and then in 1996, I began to find problems within my life that I couldnt and wouldnt deal with. My health began to fail, and I would not stop the things that I loved to do (sing, preach, do revivals, etc.). Then in 1996 I had a total knee replacement, and I gave up a growing church because I didnt think I could keep up with a church of the size that I had. Then in 1999 I had to have a total hip replacement, and then the worst thing of my life happened. My wife of 22 years left me for another man. A man that I thought was a friend. A man that I led to the Lord, and baptized. It was at exactly the same time as the hip replacement. I can tell you I had my Juniper tree moment. I cried out to God as Elijah did for God to take my life. O, I did then, and still do now, have so much to live for, but the fear of losing my family almost got the best of me. BUT, God was there for me, and I served Him for another 7 years fatefully and with many successes. The church I served understood that my wifes leaving was NOT my fault or my doing, and stood behind me through thick and thin until I finally had to give up my ministry in 2006. Please dont pity or feel sorry for me, for I am not sharing this (and its the first time that I have shared it) for that reason. From the day that I became disabled I have always given God glory for the great things in my life. I have two beautiful children that love me dearly, and I now have two beautiful grand children that love me dearly, as do I them. So you see there are Juniper trees in all our lives! In 2008 I fought a battle with cancer, and so far I have won that battle, not me, but MY LORD and SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST. The other night when I felt Gods voice urging me to write the article that I wrote about THE GLORY DEPARTING US here in these United States, I was and am most unworthy to be given that task. Then last night when He gave me the message, AMERICA NEEDS TO REBUILD ITS ALTARS, still I am unworthy. Tonight He has shown me again something that I knew, but had forgotten. You see God doesnt speak in Great Winds, Earthquakes, and Hurricanes, and the like, but you see God speaks to us ALL the best in the quiet times that we have with Him, in a STILL SMALL VOICE! That is how he spoke the other night,! That is how He spoke last night, and tonight I am reminded that this is how He speaks to those of us that take time to BE STILL AND KNOW!

After Elijah had gotten over his Juniper tree experience, God led him to the Mt. of the LORD, wherever that is. The Mt. of the LORD to me is simply a places where we can see God in His fullness, and understand His will. So, Elijah went to the Mt. of the LORD told in the 11th verse.

1 Kings 19 : 11 & 12

11 And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:

12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

Here Elijah heard the still small voice of God. Gods voice was NOT in the Great Wind! Gods voice was NOT in the Earthquake, and Gods voice was NOT in the fire! But the voice of God was a still small voice. If you are not a Christian, you might say it is your conscience? And, our conscience tries to lead us to good. But the still small voice of God is that voice that He uses in our quietness to show us His will. Here is what God told Elijah to do:

15 And the LORD said unto him, Go, return on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria:

16 And Jehu the son of Nimshi shalt thou anoint to be king over Israel: and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel-meholah shalt thou anoint to be prophet in thy room.

17 And it shall come to pass, that him that escapeth the sword of Hazael shall Jehu slay: and him that escapeth from the sword of Jehu shall Elisha slay.

18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

19 So he departed thence, and found Elisha the son of Shaphat, who was plowing with twelve yoke of oxen before him, and he with the twelfth: and Elijah passed by him, and cast his mantle upon him.

20 And he left the oxen, and ran after Elijah, and said, Let me, I pray thee, kiss my father and my mother, and then I will follow thee. And he said unto him, Go back again: for what have I done to thee?

21 And he returned back from him, and took a yoke of oxen, and slew them, and boiled their flesh with the instruments of the oxen, and gave unto the people, and they did eat. Then he arose, and went after Elijah, and ministered unto him. KJV

I want you to know that if you read the rest of this 1 Kings you will find that Elijah followed what the still small voice of God told him and great things happened. I will leave that for your reading and enrichment, but Elisha became an understudy of Elijah, and when Elijah was call up to be with God (HE DID NOT DIE), Elisha witness that and became the NEW ELIJAH, and carried out Gods will to the fullest.

Why am I telling you this? I am doing so because one day soon the church age will we over and we will stand with Jesus, but can we testify that we did ALL we could to start a SPIRITUAL AWAKENING in our last days. I am not in the greatest health. Just this year I had to have 3 stints placed in my arteries. I may not be here long enough to see this through, but I PRAY THE LORD WILL START A GREAT AWAKENING IN NOT ONLY THIS COUNTRY, BUT OTHERS. Brother Ken Rich has started a great avenue for this to begin, and I cannot thank him enough for what he is doing everyday for the Lord. It is NOW TIME TO GET OUT OF OUR COMFORTABLE RECLINERS AND HIT THE HIGHWAYS AND BYWAYS OF THIS LAND SHARING THE TRUTH THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY ANSWER FOR US! If you pass a big guy scooten down the road in his power chair sharing Jesus with the lost and dying world, that would be me. LOL With my last breath I intend to be sharing Jesus with those that need him. The best way I know to go from this world, is with my last dying breath to lead someone to Jesus!!!! PRAISE GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rev. Zack Martin Sr.


updated by @zack-martin: 02/22/15 05:49:27PM
Zack Martin
@zack-martin
10/10/11 03:09:06AM
70 posts

Why Does God Allow Suffering?


Christian Teachings

Thanks for your encouragement and thanks for an avenue of service for the Lord. I believe we can get the gospel out through such great sight as this one, and you have a talent to help us that don't know as much about the Internet as you do. I can never say enough thankyou's for that.

Zack

Zack Martin
@zack-martin
10/09/11 05:27:59PM
70 posts

Why Does God Allow Suffering?


Christian Teachings

To add one thought to Brother Ken's discussion, having serve as a minister for God for over 35 years, I noticed in my own life and in many other of my minister friends that as the CHURCH AGE is nearing it's end, Satan is bolder in his fight against God and good. He is attacking Ministers of God today! When I became disabled in 2006 at the age of 56, I asked a minister friend of mine, "Brother, why is this happening to me?" I couldn't fulfill my obligations as Minister of Music and Youth Pastor because I was crippled so badly that I coudn't walk, and I am confined to a power chair. My minister friend looked me straight in the eye and said, "ZacK, who had you rather it happened to? God knows your faith and strength in Him, and that you are His child." Had you rather it happened to someone that doesn't know Him as Savior? You will be a spokemans to those, that God is Good, and looks after us even in the bad times. He didn't promise you a bed of roses, but HE DID PROMISE TO BE WITH YOU THROUGH IT ALL!"

That was the best thing I could have heard at that time. O, I went through a period of depression because I coudn't do revivals and concerts anymore, but I found out that I could reach MORE people through the modern age of communication, than I ever did as a local church minister. After I got my power chair I found out that I could do a few concerts locally if I spreadthem out, and guess what, I have been ask to preach and sing at my church onan upcomingSunday night service

My point is this, suffering in my case has led to a new ministry for the Lord. I can still sing pretty good (not as good as I could when younger, but still pretty good). I am still God's servant. but my audience is different. With this age of Internet, I can still send the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ out to people that might not have and opporunity from a church minister. After I realized this my depression ended, and I will serve my Lord with my last dying breath, until I meet Him in heaven. While not a detailed account of my life, I hope you can see from this how God is with us even in suffering. I know well how Job felt, because I have tasted a little bit. I have started notes that I plan to use in a book about this, so pray for me that I can show God's power in times of suffering. I CAN STATE THAT GOD IS GREAT AND GOOD, AND I HAVE ETERNAL LIFE BECAUSE I HAVE ACCEPTED JESUS' GRACE AND FAITH, AND HIS BLOOD HAS AND WILL COVERE MY SINS.

God Bless You Al, Rev. Zack Martin Sr.


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Zack Martin
@zack-martin
10/09/11 04:23:55PM
70 posts

Why Does God Allow Suffering?


Christian Teachings

AMEN BROTHER.....GOD BLESS YOU!
Zack Martin
@zack-martin
10/09/11 03:47:55PM
70 posts

Why Does God Allow Suffering?


Christian Teachings

I totally agree with you Ken, and I am not reputing anything I've read of your writings. My main point was to only remind us that we are not the final authority on any matter. God has that authority, but we DO have to spread the Gospel (God's Saving Grace) to those that are lost, because we are the CHURCH and even as our age is coming to a close, there are those that can still be reached for the Lord. I have studied Theology for years, and I have my beliefs and stands, and I voice them, but I try not to let them negate my witness for Jesus. We serve the same God and He love us all equally. He doesn't love me anymore than anyone else. THE GROUND IS LEVEL AT HE FOOT OF THE CROSS! That is the only reason I left the last response. I love and respect you and your teachings. God is a great God and people need to know what you've said. I have just read some of the replys back, not only on this, but on your stand about the Catholic Pope, and I wanted everyone to know that while we discuss these things, we do it only in the limited knowledge that we have, it is GOD that has the final says. I agree with your teaching because that's how I see it, but I won't let it stand in the way of my witness for Jesus. That is all I was trying to say. I hope it doesn't offend anyone, if it does then I guess I didn't get my point across clearly. God Bless You Ken, and KEEP GOING FOR GOD AS YOU ARE. INDI GOSPEL ARTIST WEBSITE IS STILL THE BEST AND MOST SPIRITUALLY FULFILLING SIGHT ON THE INTERNET.

Rev. Zack Martin Sr.

Zack Martin
@zack-martin
10/09/11 02:31:23AM
70 posts

Why Does God Allow Suffering?


Christian Teachings

I believe that the whole truth is NOT known by all of mankind. There are mysteries that are only known by God! When it was asked in Relvelation chapter 5, "Who Is Worthy to break the seals?" Notice that only Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son was and is the only one worthy enough. WORTHY IS THE LAMB! The Truth of some of the theology that we rebuttal back and fourth between ourselves will NOT be known until that day that we stand before The Lord. The theology that excites me most, is how we can have eternal life by faith, through grace in the Lord Jesus Christ.

.When I was called into the ministry, the gospel that mattered the most was that Jesus became the sacrifice, that we needed to be saved and have the hope of etenal life. When I was in Bible College, Theology was my major and Music was my minor. I used the theology in my youth ministry, and the music in (well) music ministry. I am sure thatwe will never have the total truth, but I KNOW THE ONE THAT DOES, and my faith in Him remains strong. The answers that I need and havewill always come through my faith in my Lord and Savior. I am living by faith in my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I do not claimed to know all of the answers, but my faith tells me that we are in a battle against the Devil (Satan), and I may lose a battle every now and then, but I've read the ending, WE WIN!!!!!! When we stand behind the Lord during the battle of Armageddon, all we have to do is cheer Him on, and all He does is SPEAK death and destruction on those in the battleagainst the Christian World. My faith has grown to the point thatI hear Jesus' calling, and know His will for my life. I have studied and I know theology, and I know where I stand, but my witness is the most important thing in my life.

Rev 12:7-9

7 And there was war in heaven . Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
NIV

Rev 12:7-9 talks about a war that I believe took place eons before us, and it is still going on. It will not be ended until the Devil and his evil demons are triumpth over in the end of the world. Those of mankind that are good and have accepted the saving grace of Jesus will be with Jesus. Those that refused His saving grace will be destroyed with the Devil and his demons in the lake of fire. There IS a HIGHER POWER, an ALL KNOWING POWER, and we are simply HIS SERVANTS! I am SO GLAD that I serve God and not the wickedness of the Devil! Debates and discussions are fine to a point, but to elaborate on things that I believe only God knows is simply opinions, and unforunately are as many as there are people. While I enjoy discussing the Word of God, THE GOSPEL OF THE CHURCH AGE IS WHAT WE WERE CALLED TO DO. AND THAT IS THAT JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS TO BE THE SACRIFICE WE NEED TO BE SAVED AND HAVE THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. We had that eternity taken away from us when Satan tempted Eve, and Adam and Eve gave into that temptation in the Garden of Eden. God The Father, was able to give us that eternity back when Jesus (His only begotten Son) died on the cross of Calvary for our sins, and was raised 3 days later, having victory over death and the grave.WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN THE LORD, JESUS CHRIST. NOT OF OUR OWN WORKS, LEST WE BOAST.

My favorite Scripture is Romans 10:9-10. (9) if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, youwill be saved. (Then in verse 10 it explains that) (10) For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

Then in verse 13 it says. "for everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved."

This is the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST THAT GIVES US OUR ETERNITY BACK.

I hope I have said this plainly. In His Name, Rev. Zack Martin Sr.

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